amount; because it is so monstrously never asked a man to vote with me, and partial and unjust; and because not a I never will : I will vote for everything man upon earth can have anything to that I think right, let who will propose gainsay; because there is no room forjit: I must necessarily wish for a maevasion or shuttle ; because the griev- jority to be of my opinion: but never ance is so great, and because the motive will I say one word ; never will I refor inflicting it is so clear. The pub- frain frem saying one word, for the purlic have seen that there is no answer to pose of obtaining a majority.' be given to me. The last thing that my Very glad to have a day appointed Lord Althorp said upon the subject for the discussing of this great subject, was, that he deprecated my practice of upon which I have never consulted everlastingly bringing the thing up; with any member of Parliament but my and he added, that though in this in- colleague, whose integrity, as well as stance it would seem that the indus- the soundness of whose judgment, are trious classes were unfairly dealt by, it well known to a very considerable porwould be but fair to wait until the sub-tion of England. Very glad io have a ject came regularly forward for fuil dis- day appointed for the discussion ; but cussion; and that then he would show, not very glad to have this important that upon the whole of the taxation, all matter so clear, so plain, so independent sorts of taxes taken into view at once, of all other things mixed up with a the system of taxation was impartial. mass of other matter, some parts of

Now, if my lord ever condescends to which might admit of dispute. We read this little paper of mine, which Mr. will, if it so please his Lordship, take Methuen hardly does (he having thought the divers branches of taxation, ONE proper when I could not answer him, to AT A TIME. " Sufficient unto the speak of it in no very courteous terms, day is the evil thereof." I will take for which, however, I by no means blame the other branches in due time, and him ; though he cannot say of it, at any in like formal manner; and I cannot rate, that it escapes taxation); if my help saying that his Lordship is a little lord should cast his eye by accident unreasonably impatient as to this point. upon this paper, he may learn from I once saw a thief receiving the “ forty me that nothing upon this earth would lucking one," from the hands, or rather give me so much pleasure as to see a froin a good horsewhip, of the sheriff of day appointed for the express purpose of the province of New Brunswick, the taking this weighty matter into consider- ceremony being performed in a celation; and into consideration, and se- lar on account of the intensity of the rious consideration, it must be taken ; cold. The long Yankee sheriff laid it on and that too at no very distant day. If well, and, if Sir John Cam Hobhouse such day were appointed, there should had seen the operation, he would have be my flag of truce : I want no foul wanted little more to convince him, fighting : I want to take no advantage : that restraining courts-martial merely I want to excite no popular prejudice : to the number of lashes, was not doing I want to pick no holes in the coat much. The patient (who on such ocof the Ministry: I want not even to casions is very diffieult to please) beshare in any of the praises, which any lgan, with the first blow, crying out part of the people have, or shall have, to j* Strike me higher !" " Ay, ay,” said bestow : I want justice to be done to " the Yankee; “ have patience. I'll be my countrymen: I would prefer its “ up there presently; "and whack came being done by the Ministers them- the thong across the fellow's back a seselves, or, at least, at their suggestion :cond time, raising another black swellI would rather it should be done by any.ling almost as thick as your finger. Now, body than by myself; but if nobody if my Lord will but be patient, though else will do it, done it shall be by me, if I have begun so low down as the stamps I have life and health to permit me to and the auction duties, I will be "up do it. I want to have no party : I there " at the excise and customs all in

due time; and in just the same formal been employed in the manner and for manner, until the whole of the toiling the purposes for which it was granted. people of this country, of matchless Numerous detached inquiries, on these industry and labour, shall see how subjects, not only do no good, but they it is that they have been made poor tend to produce harin : they multiply and kept poor, in spite of all their, the subjects of talk ; they form an "excare, all their toil, and all their fru-cuse for a multiplicity of officers and gality, and, while the idle and dissolute, of clerks; they arm official readiness in spite of their squanderings, have with subterfuge and chicane, against grown more and more rich : until 1 unofficial, though honest conjecture; have made that fine young statesman, they give little triumph's to falsehood Sir Robert Peel, see how that political lover truth, and to royuery over honesty; phenomenon has happened, which he so and, therefore, I have always been against much deplored, namely, that the wealth this hunting about after the money, of the country has got into too few after it has been let out of the purse, hands.

which is not a bit less ridiculous, and No, no! no mixly-maxty : no messo inconsistent with common sense, than ings up; but an inquiry, a separate in my conduct, when I was a very little quiry relative to each of the branches boy, and let my blackbird out of the of taxation; and a doing of strict justice cage, and then roared like a bull, and as to each ; it always having appeared called to my grandmother to help me to me, that the prime duty of a inem. to call him down out of the appleber of the House of Commons consisted, tree. My poor grandmother came runnot in watching the expenditure of the ning out of the house to see what was money, but in preventing it from being the matter with me; but upon learntaken improperly away from the people. Iing the subject of my distress, she The House of Commons have been shook her head, just as she would called the yuardians of the public now, poor woman, if she were to see purse;" they have been said to hold us members of Parliament, running, the public purse-strings in their hands.” bawling about after the money, after we And this is their true business: they are had let it out of the purse. Nor have not to leave the purse open, let the we the consolation that my granny gave hing and his servants take out of it what me ; for she not only gave me a plumthey please ; and then run about teasing cake, but told me that Jack Croft had after them to know what they have got some blackbirds, and that he would done with the money; and so to act as give me one. My Lord King told us a sort of clerks of the check to the once, at a county meeting at Epsom, King's servants. “I'd rather be a dog “ Gentlemen, if you really intend to and bay the moon, than such a member.”" make the Ministers economical, you It may, indeed, be very proper to call" must insist upon your members rethe King's servants to a general ac “fusing them supplies ; for, though I count of what they have done with any " do not know much about them, I do money that has been put into their “ know this, that, if you give them the hands ; and no length of time ought to “ money, they will spend it, upon some screen them from such inquiry. Bút,“ thing, or some person or other.” in fact, the duty of a House of Com- I was very much pleased with this mons is principally this : to suffer no observation of my Lord King; and it taxes to be levied, until they have a described a principle upon which I was clear statement of what these taxes are determined, and am determined, to act. wanted for ; until they have examined Far be it from me to disparage the eninto the validity of such statement;. to deavours of any man to detect and exrefuse or grant, upon the result of such pose the misapplication of the public examination : and afterwards to demand money; to do this shows honest intenan account of the disbursements, and tions, and it is worthy of public apto ascertain whether the money have plause. But, it is the weak ground:

the moving party takes on him a containing, as many distinct propositions load of labour; not only with the as may be necessary; and coucluding chance of apparent defeat; but, at best, with a proposition for the Huse to do as it is dealing in comparatively small something in the case. This elaborate sums, with a slight chance of exciting manner of proceeding will, before I great and general interest. He is not have done, put every man in the country to blame the public, if they be unmoved in possession of a clear view of the real by his efforts; and then comes the state of the whole concern ; and, if the great objection; that is to say the picture be frightful, if it do tend to exefforts must necessarily be so nu- cite anger, indignation, hostile feeling merous ; that, in time, they must wholly lin the breasts of the industrious parts of lose their effect.

the community, who is to accuse me For these reasons the path which I of wrong doing or of evil intentions ! bave chalked out for myself is this and will not all the consequences, how

1. To take the several branches of ever terrible, rest on the heads of those taxation, one by one; and, under each who have the power, but who have not head, show how the industrious classes the will, to redress the wrongs of which are treated by the acts of Parliamentim. I complain on the part of the people? posing these taxes.

If I ever state what is not true, there is 2. To take the several heads of ex- the House, and there are the Ministers penditure, also one by one, and show, in to contradict me; and there is this ibe same formal manner, what part of sensible and just people to hear the conthis expenditure goes into the pockets tradiction as well as the statement. If of the aristocracy, and what part is ex- I state nothing but truth, where is the pended for the real services of the state man, except some blaspheming Jew, and of the country.

or the mortgager slave of some blasTo do this will demand prodigious pheining Jew, who, if the miserable labour; but it will demand very little slave refused to embrace hiin, and information, which I do not already thereby trample upon the cross, might possess. I will not bother the House seize his estate, of which he now ap. of Commons nor the King's servants, pears to be the owner, and make him by calling for a multiplicity of papers. poacher in his turn, or send him to I will call for such as are necessary to crack stones upon the highway, or to enable me to state my facts correctly. be a tenant of the poor-house ; where is If these be refused me, I shall proceed the man, I say, who is to blame me for upon the most accurate estimate that I what I do? Either this system of taxcan make ; and, upon the ground of ation and of expenditure is just, or it is the refusal to give me the papers, I not. Either the aristocracy have dealt shall assume that my estimate is true. For fairly by the people, or they have not: instance, now, I estimate that more than in other words, they have been oppresfour millions of money have been charged sors, or they have not. If they have not, against the country for SECRET SER- what wrong can be done them, by VICES within the last forty-three years. making the fact known to the world, The account can be made out by any and by putting that fact beyond all posclerk of the Treasury in one hour. If sible dispute ? If they have, what a base the account be refused me, I shall assume wretch must that be who deprecates a that my estimate is true : and this is the communication of the fact to the people way in which I shall proceed till I have who have been thus oppressed ! rummaged the whole concern to the bot- This is to be my line of conduct; tom. There will be a resolution or two thus I am resolved to proceed, without about the administration of justice, and the smallest regard to majorities or miabout the clergy of the established norities, or to the opinions of persons of church. I shall always proceed in the any description whatsoever. But, again same manner in which I have begun, as I say, that without the people at our to form; one resolution in each case backs we can do nothing; or, at least,

we can do nothing in any reasonable and especially the sensible people of space of time. In the end, indeed, I Scotland, should be made well ac. know that my efforts alone would shake quainted with all my doings and all my to its very foundation everything that is sayings; and I will give them the inunjust in this system. But we want teresting parts of my speeches as often the effect to come quickly, and to have as I can; always, however, stating, at that, we must have the people with length, or in substance, that which has us ; and that, too, by means of been reported in the way of answer to the regular, lawful, constitutional mode me; for it shall never be said of me, of PETITION. These resolutions of that I take advantage of my pen, while mine, which shall always be undeniably my brother menibers have not the same true, or, from the cause before men- advantage. I could here, for instance, tioned, founded on estimate, will fur- answer Mr. Methuen and Sir Charles nish the subject matter of petitions. My Burrell, whom the regulations of the first resolution (that on the stamps and House prevented me from answering ut uuctions duties) is not yet complete, the time; but I will not do it, they not however. As far as it goes, it is cor- | having the same means of answering rect; but it does not go far enough. me in a similar case. I thank the genWhen the subject has been regularly tleman who has written to me from brought before the House, according to Lanark very sincerely for his kind letter. the wish of Lord Althorp, then it will I never think of Scotland and find the be complete; and then, if there be a thought unaccompanied with feelings of town in England, or Scotland, which gratitude ; and if I wanted any motive does not petition for redress, may the to urge me to a zealous discharge of my people of that town be slaves to the end duty, my recollections as to Scotland of their lives.

I would be a motive ten thousand times WX. COBBETT. more than sufficient.

I have received a letter from a gen-

On Wednesday night I went home tleman in this excellent town, requesting

during a debate on the Liverpool Brime to insert in the Register the reports

bery, leaving the committee of ways and of my speeches in Parliament. To do

means to come on in my absence, having this, with justice to the House and jus

previously told Lord ALTHORP, that I tice to myself too, would be next to im

did not intend to bring on my REpossible. For a man to publish his own

SOLUTION on the STAMPS and blunders is against nature ; and I may

AUCTION DUTIES until after the commit blunders as well as other peo

red-coat court of justice bill should be ple. On the other side, there is such a disposed of. But, in my absence, difference between writing and speak

there was my colleague to watch the ing, that to give a written report of my

ways and means affair ; and, there own speech; would be unfair towards

Jarose the debate, of which the following: the other members of Parliament. is a report:;. and by which the public only want to be fairly treated by the will see, that OLDHAM has two meille reporters in general, as I hitherto

bers faithful to their trust. have been, except once or twice in the old Times. If the reports be not always quite accurate, as to the

SUGAR DUTIESA facts which I state, they do not, Lord ALTHORP said, the first resolution : at any rate, exhibit anything that is he should propose was the continuation awkward in my manner of stating them. for another year of the present sugar Tam very desirous that all the people, duties. It was not necessary for liiin

to go into any argument upon the sub. Parliament which would effect great ject. The ground upon which he pro- alterations in the state of the West Inposed this resolution was, that these dia interests. It would therefore be duties were at present necessary to the premature and unjust to enter into dispublic service. The state of the revenue cussions affecting those interests at prewould not permit him to propose a re- sent. Sugar had undoubtedly become duction, either with a view to the in- i one of the necessaries of life to the laterests of the public or of the planters. bouring classes; but was it the article He should be glad to propose a reduc- which the hon. Gentleman, as the advo. tion if he could do it to such an amount cate of those classes, would select as the as by increasing the consumption would first to relieve from the pressure of give relief to the West India interest. I duty ? Reduction of duty or prohibition was Mr. GOULBURN thought this was not the only way of benefiting them

the time for the discussion which had The resolution having been put by been originated by the hon. Member the Chairman,

for Middlesex. That hon. Member had Mr. Hume said, the question was, remarked, that the principal attendance whether the duty might not be reduced upon the present occasion, consisted of without diminution of the revenue? He those who had formerly been members regretted the absence of the hon. Mein- of that House, and complained of the ber for Oldham (Mr. Cobbett) upon this absence of those younger members occasion. (A laugh). It must be that he from whose activity and zeal he had was not aware of the importance of the anticipated better things. He begged subject to be brought forward. There I leave to tell the hon. Member that those were 316 new members in the House, to whom he alluded would be found and not half of them were present. not only on that but upon all other The noble Lord did not say a word questions affecting the interests of the about East India sugar. It was a great community, at their posts, the watchful injustice to that portion of the empire guardians of the public interests, as that a duty of ten shillings more should they ever had been, although it had be imposed on East than on West India been the practice of the hon. Member in sugar. The duty should be equalized. former Parliaments to attack them as It could not injure the West India negligent and inattentive to their trust. planters. It would be important to the The hon. Gentleman might be assured public if even but a small reduction, a he would find them always in their halfpenny or a farthing a pound, was places, ready to perform their duty as made on this duty.

iaithful stewards, whatever might be Mr. WHITuore thought that it was the character of the Administration. most important that justice should be (Hear, hear). It was essential that there done in this respect to the East Indies, should be some members of other Parparticularly at the present time, when liaments in the present reformed House they were about to revise the charter of to instruct the new members, although the East India Company, and, probably, upon the present occasion they were to throw open the trade to that part of not there to be instructed (a laugh) in

pressed unequally.

was conducted in former times. It was Lord ALTHORP said, the present was his duty now to call the attention of not the proper time for the discussion the House to the departure exhibited by of the topics introduced by the hon. the present proceeding from all former

of the East India charter, it was well / money to the crown it had uniformly known, stood for discussion at no dis- been the practice to submit the estitant dare in that House ; and it was mates for the year first, and then vote also weli kuown that his Majesty's Go- the supplies. (Hear, hear). It was vernment had propositions to submit to not mere matter of form, but of sub

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