Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.)
Ainsworth, John Stirling
Asquith, Rt. Hn. Herbt. Henry
Austin, Sir John
Barry, E. (Cork, S.)
Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)
Beaumont, Wentworth C. B.
Bell, Richard
Blake, Edward
Boland, John
Brigg, John

Bryce, Rt. Hon. James
Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn
Burke, E. Haviland-
Buxton, Sydney Charles
Caldwell, James
Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)
Campbell-Bannerman, Sir H.
Carvill, Patrick Geo. Hamilton
Condon, Thomas Joseph
Crean, Eugene
Crombie, John William
Dalziel, James Henry
Davies, Alfred (Carmarthen)
Davies, M. Vaughan-(Cardigan
Delany, William

Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway
Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.)
Dilke, Rt. Hon. Sir Charles
Donelan, Captain A.
Doogan, P. C.

Douglas, Charles M. (Lanark)
Elibank, Master of
Ellis, John Edward (Notts.)
Evans, Samuel T. (Glamorgan)
Fenwick, Charles
Ferguson, R. C. Munro (Leith)
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond
Flavin, Michael Joseph
Flynn, James Christopher
Foster, Sir Walter (Derby Co.)
Freeman-Thomas, Captain F.
Fuller, J. M. F.

Furness, Sir Christopher

Gilhooly, James

Haldane, Rt. Hon. Richard B. Power, Patrick Joseph
Harmsworth, R. Leicester
Harwood, George
Hayden, John Patrick
Hayter, Rt. Hon. Sir Arthur D.
Hemphill, Rt. Hon. Charles H.
Hobhouse, C. E. H. (Bristol, E.
Hutton, Alfred E. (Morley)
Johnson, John (Gateshead)
Jones, D. Brynmor (Swansea)
Jones, William (Carnarvonshire
Joyce, Michael
Kearley, Hudson E.
Kilbride, Denis
Labouchere, Henry
Layland-Barratt, Francis
Leese, Sir Jos. F. (Accrington)
Leng, Sir John
Lewis, John Herbert
Logan, John William
Lundon, W.

Price, Robert John
Priestley, Arthur
Rea, Russell
Reckitt, Harold James
Reddy, M.

Redmond, John E. (Waterford)
Redmond, William (Clare)
Rickett, J. Compton
Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
Roche, John

Macnamara, Dr. Thomas J.
MacVeagh, Jeremiah
McArthur, William (Cornwall)
M'Kean, John
Mansfield, Horace Rendall
Mitchell, Edw. (Fermanagh, N.
Mooney, John J.

Morgan, J. Lloyd (Carmarthen)
Murphy, John

Nannetti, Joseph P.
Newnes, Sir George
Nolan, Joseph (Louth, South)
Norton, Capt. Cecil William
O'Brien, James F. X. (Cork)
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)
O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)
O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)
O'Dowd, John
O'Malley, William
O'Mara, James
O'Shaughnessy, P. J.

Palmer, Sir Chas, M. (Durham)

Gladstone, Rt. Hn. Herb. John Partington, Oswald

Rose, Charles Day
Runciman, Walter

Samuel, S. M. (Whitechapel)
Schwann, Charles E.
Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Shipman, Dr. John G.
Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Slack, John Bamford
Smith, Samuel (Flint)
Soares, Ernest J.

Spencer, Rt. Hn. C. R(Northants
Stevenson, Francis S.

| Sullivan, Donal
Tennant, Harold John

Thomas, Abel (Carmarthen, E)
Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.
Thomas, D. Alfred (Merthyr)
Tomkinson, James
Toulmin, George
Trevelyan, Charles Philips
Wallace, Robert
Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Wason, Jn. Cathcart (Orkney)
White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Whiteley, George (York, W.R.)
Whitley, J. H. (Halifax)
Wilson, Fred. W. (Norfolk,Mid.
Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Woodhouse, Sir J.T(Huddersf'd
Young, Samuel
Yoxall, James Henry

TELLERS FOR THE AYES-Mr.
Broadhurst and Mr. John
Burns.

Plummer, Walter R.
Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Pretyman, Ernest George
Pryce-Jones, Lt.-Col. Edward
Pym, C. Guy

Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne
Ratcliff, R. F.

Henderson, Sir A. (Stafford, W. Reid, James (Greenock)
Hickman, Sir Alfred
Hoare, Sir Samuel
Hogg, Lindsay

Horner, Frederick William
Hoult, Joseph

Houston, Robert Paterson
Howard, J. (Kent, Faversham)
Howard, J. (Midd.,Tottenham)
Hozier, Hn. James Henry Cecil
Hunt, Rowland

Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E. Johnstone, Heywood (Sussex)

Coghill, Douglas Harry
Cohen, Benjamin Louis
Colston, Chas, Edw. H. Athole
Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas
Cox, Irwin Edward Bainbridge
Cripps, Charles Alfred
Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile
Cubitt, Hon. Henry
Dalkeith, Earl of
Dalrymple, Sir Charles
Davenport, William Bromley
Denny Colonel

Kenyon-Slaney, Col. W.(Salop.
Kerr, John

Knowles, Sir Lees
Laurie, Lieut.-General
Law, Andrew Bonar (Glasgow)
Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)
Lawson, Jn. G. (Yorks., N. R.)
Lee, A. H. (Hants., Fareham)
Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage
Leveson-Gower, Frederick N.S.
Llewellyn, Evan Henry
Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham)
Long, Rt. Hon. W. (Bristol, S.)
Lonsdale, John Brownlee
Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft)
Lucas, Reginald J. (Portsmouth
Lyttelton, Rt. Hon. Alfred
Macdona, John Cumming
Maconochie, A. W.
M'Arthur, Charles (Liverpool)
M'Calmont, Colonel James
M'Killop, James (Stirlingshire)
Malcolm, Ian

Dewar, Sir T. R.(Tower Hamlets
Dickinson, Robert Edmond
Dickson, Charles Scott
Digby, John K. D. Wingfield-
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-
Doxford, Sir William Theodore
Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin
Dyke, Rt. Hn.Sir William Hart
Elliot, Hon. A. Ralph Douglas
Faber, Edmund B. (Hants., W.
Faber, George Denison (York)
Fielden, Edward Brocklehurst
Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.
Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne
Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon
Flannery, Sir Fortescue
Forster, Henry William
Galloway, William Johnson
Gardner, Ernest
Gibbs, Hon. A. G H.
Gore, Hn. S.F. Ormsby-(Linc.)
Gorst, Rt. Hn. Sir John Eldon
Goschen, Hon. George Joachim
Goulding, Edward Alfred
Graham, Henry Robert
Greene, Sir E.W(B'ryS Edm'nds
Greene, W. Raymond-(Cambs.
Greville, Hon. Ronald
Hall, Edward Marshall
Hambro, Charles Eric
Hamilton, Marq of(L'nd'nderry
Hare, Thomas Leigh
Harris, F. Leverton (Tynem'th Pilkington, Colonel Richard
Harris, Dr. Fredk. R. (Dulwich | Platt-Higgins, Frederick

Manners, Lord Cecil
Maxwell, W.J.H.(Dumfriessh.)
Milner, Rt. Hn. Sir FrederickG.
Milvain, Thomas
Montagu, G. (Huntingdon)
Moon, Edward Robert Pacy
Morgan, D. J. (Walthamstow)
Morrell, George Herbert
Morrison, James Archibald
Morton, Arthur H. Aylmer
Mount, William Arthur
Mowbray Sir Robert Gray C
Murray, Rt. Hon. A. G.(Bute)
Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)
Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)
Newdegate, Francis A. N.
Nicholson, William Graham
O'Neill, Hon. Robert Torrens
Pease, Herbt. Pike (Darlington
Peel, Hn. Wm. Robert Wellesley
Percy, Earl

Original Question again proposed.

MR. O'MARA (Kilkenny, S.) said

Remnant, James Farquharson
Richards, Henry Charles
Ridley, S. Forde(Bethnal Green
Ritchie, Rt. Hn. Chas. Thomson
Robertson, Herbert (Hackney)
Rolleston, Sir John F. L.
Rollit, Sir Albert Kaye
Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Round, Rt. Hon. James
Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Sackville, Col. S. G. Stopford-
Sadler, Col. Samuel Alexander
Sandys, Lt. Col. Thos. Myles
Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Sharpe, William Edward T.
Simeon, Sir Barrington
Sinclair, Louis (Romford)
Sloan, Thomas Henry
Smith, Abel H.(Hertford, East)
Smith, H.C(North'mbTyneside
Smith, James Parker (Lanarks.
Spear, John Ward
Spencer, Sir E. (W. Bromwich)
Stanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk
Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Lancs.
Stirling-Maxwell, Sir John M.
Stock, James Henry
Stroyan, John

Strutt, Hon. Charles Hedley
Talbot, Rt. Hn.J.G(Oxf'd Univ.
Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Thornton Percy M.
Tollemache, Henry James
Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Tuff, Charles

Valentia, Viscount
Vincent, Sir Edgar (Exeter)
Walrond, Rt. Hn.Sir William H
Warde, Colonel C. E.
Welby, Lt. Col.A.C.E(Taunton
Welby, Sir Chas. G. E. (Notts.)
Whiteley, H.(Ashton und.Lyne
Whitmore, Charles Algernon
Willox, Sir John Archibald
Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.
Wilson-Todd, Sir W. H. (Yorks
Wodehouse, Rt. Hn. E.R.(Bath
Wolff, Gustav Wilhelm
Wortley, Rt. Hn. C. B. Stuart-
Wylie, Alexander

Wyndham, Rt. Hon. George
Wyndham-Quin, Major W. H.

Subhead B, Land and Inland
Water Transport Abroad, £300,000."
On referring to the original Estimate he

enormous sums

such
explanation.

Therefore, he could not understand how Gentleman to make inquiries, and he it came about that a Supplementary would find that it was not usual to Estimate of £300,000, which was more propose Supplementary Estimates for without some than double the original Estimate, was now being asked for. Surely they ought to get nearer in their Estimates than that. He should like to have some explanation from the Secretary of State for War as to why this Estimate was so large. He remembered last year the Government asked for £5,000,000 for transport of troops and remounts, but they had not been spending the money on remounts this year, and he should like an explanation as to how this Estimate had grown large.

most

The system seemed to have grown of putting on Supplementary which must have been Votes items anticipated when the ordinary Estimates were framed, and therefore they were The way entitled to some explanation. to get these Estimates through, and to occupy only a reasonable time with them, was to have a little patience.

*THE CHAIRMAN: Is the hon. Member now addressing himself to the whole Vote?

MR. WILLIAM REDMOND said he was addressing himself to Vote 6, Item B, relating to Land and Inland Water Transport Abroad.

*THE CHAIRMAN: I would ask the hon. Member to confine his remarks to I am afraid be has been that item. wandering a great deal beyond that.

MR. WILLIAM REDMOND said that

perhaps the most concise way in which he could bring his attention and the attention of the House to this particular item of £300,000 was to move a reduction of £100,000. Matters would be facilitated if there was a little more patience and the closure was not used in an offensive

MR. WILLIAM REDMOND said he did not know whether his hon. friend intended to mark his disapproval of this Estimate by moving a reduction, but if he did not he should certainly do so himself. It was a most inconvenient and a disrespectful thing, nearly as disrespectful as moving the closure, that a man who had as good a right to speak as any member of the Government should be closured without a single word of explanation of a satisfactory character in regard to huge Supplementary Estimates like this. He held the opinion that this system of Supplementary Estimates was undesirable altounsatisfactory and gether. He did not know why it was not possible to make proper Estimates, and have them discussed in the ordinary way, instead of coming down to ask for £2,700,000. That was not the way to conduct the affairs of the country, and he doubted if the Secretary for War could *THE CHAIRMAN: The hon. Member defend a proposition of that kind. He was very much afraid that a great many is not entitled to reflect upon the action The closure is not of these Supplementary Estimates were of the Committee. suddenly sprung upon Parliament in the the action of a particular Member but hope that they might somehow or other the action of the Committee. get quietly through without raising any particular discussion, or bring any large. amount of criticism to bear upon them. He asked for an explanation as to why this enormous sum was being asked for. He had been in the House for a longer time than the Secretary of State for War, who was now a member of the Cabinet, but he would not take the amount of this Estinate to join the present Cabinet, because, after all, one must draw the line somewhere. He asked the right hon.

way.

MR. WILLIAM REDMOND said he the Chairman's was not reflecting on discretion in accepting the closure nor upon the action of the House, but he referred to the individual action of one hon. Gentleman.

*THE CHAIRMAN: The hon. Member is not entitled to do that. It is a wellknown Rule of the House, which has been

laid down over and over again, that when once the House has decided upon the closure no Member is entitled to go back and reflect upon the action of the House or upon the Member who has moved the closure. [AN HON. MEMBER: We will fight it every time it comes up.]

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That Item, Vote 6, Sub-head B (Land and Inland Water Transport Abroad), be reduced by £100,000." — (Mr. William Redmond.)

MR. BROMLEY DAVENPORT said that a very large porton of this Estimate came under the same explanation that he had given before, for it had to do with the charges for the conveyance of building material in South Africa, which, owing to a mistake, had been omitted from the original Estimate. About half of the items for land transport abroad was for the conveyance of building materials, and the other was mainly due to the large quantity of stores that had to be moved about.

MR. SYDNEY BUXTON said there had already been a little omission of £200,000 in the original Estimate, and here was another little item of £300,000 which had also been overlooked. This was another item which their officers in South Africa had

MR. CHARLES HOBHOUSE said he understood an Amendment had been

forgotten and which could not be in- moved to reduce the Vote by £100,000. cluded in the original Estimates, because the War Office did not find it out. It was almost futile to discuss an Estimate of this kind.

MR. CHARLES HOBHOUSE (Bristol, E.) wanted to know at what rate these materials had been conveyed. The amount charged was very large indeed. It was brought out during the war that the rate was one-third of a penny per mile and it was subsequently reduced to one-fourth of a penny per mile.

And, it being half-past Seven of the clock, the Chairman left the Chair to make his Report to the House.

*THE CHAIRMAN said an Amendment always dropped when progress was reported.

MR. CHARLES HOBHOUSE said in that case he should move the reduction of the Vote by £10,000 in respect of the item for Land and Inland Water Transport Abroad.

Motion made, and Question proposed, "That Item, Vote 6, Sub-head B (Land and Inland Water Transport Abroad), be Charles reduced by £10,000." (Mr. Hobhouse.)

MR. BROMLEY DAVENPORT

The Committee report Progress; to sit stated that he had already said every

Vote. He had endeavoured to explain | why it was necessary for the Government to bring forward a Supplementary Estimate.

Abraham, William (Cork, N.E.)
Barry, E. (Cork, S)

Bayley, Thomas (Derbyshire)
Brigg, John

Broadhurst, Henry

Buchanan, Thomas Ryburn
Caldwell, James

Campbell, John (Armagh, S.)
Condon, Thomas Joseph
Crean, Eugene

Crombie, John William
Devlin, Chas. Ramsay (Galway
Devlin, Joseph (Kilkenny, N.)
Dilke, Rt Hon Sir Charles
Donelan, Captain A.
Doogan, P. C.
Fenwick, Charles
Ferguson, R C. Munro (Leith
Fitzmaurice, Lord Edmond
Flavin, Michael Joseph
Flynn, James Christopher
Freeman-Thomas, Captain F.
Fuller, J. M. F.
Gilhooly, James
Goddard, Daniel Ford
Johnson, John (Gateshead)

Anson, Sir William Reynell
Arnold-Forster, Rt. Hn. HughO
Atkinson, Rt. Hon. John
Balcarres, Lord

Balfour, Kenneth R. (Christch.
Bartley, Sir George C. T.
Beach, Rt. Hn. Sir Mich. Hicks
Bignold, Arthur
Bigwood, James

Brodrick, Rt. Hon. St. John
Bull, William James
Butcher, John George
Cayzer, Sir Charles William
Chamberlain, Rt. Hn.J. A(Worc
Cochrane, Hon. Thos. H. A. E.
Coghill, Douglas Harry
Cook, Sir Frederick Lucas
Crossley, Rt. Hon. Sir Savile
Davenport, William Bromley
Denny, Colonel

Dickson, Charles Scott
Digby, John K. D. Wingfield-
Douglas, Rt. Hon. A. Akers-
Doxford, Sir William Theodore
Durning-Lawrence, Sir Edwin
Finch, Rt. Hon. George H.
Finlay, Sir Robert Bannatyne
Fitzroy, Hn. Edward Algernon
Forster, Henry William
Gardner, Ernest

Gorst, Rt. Hon. Sir John Eldon

Question put.

The Committee divided:-Ayes, 74; Noes, 88. (Division List No. 22.)

AYES.

Jones, William (Carnarvonshire | Power, Patrick Joseph

Joyce, Michael

Kilbride, Denis

Labouchere, Henry

Layland-Barratt, Francis

Leese, Sir Jos F. (Accrington)

Lewis, John Herbert
Lundon, W.

MacVeagh, Jeremiah
M'Hugh, Patrick A.
M'Laren, Sir Charles Benjamin
Mansfield, Horace Rendall
Mooney, John J.
Murphy, John
Nannetti, Joseph P.
Nolan, Joseph (Louth South)
O'Brien, Patrick (Kilkenny)
O'Brien, P. J. (Tipperary, N.)
O'Connor, James (Wicklow, W.
O'Donnell, John (Mayo, S.)
O'Donnell, T. (Kerry, W.)
O'Dowd, John

O'Kelly, Jas. (Roscommon, N.)
O'Mara, James
O'Shaughnessy, P. J.
Perks, Robert William

NOES.

Goulding, Edward Alfred
Harris, Dr. Fredk. R. (Dulwich
Haslett, Sir James Horner
Heath, A. Howard (Hanley)
Heath, James (Staffords., N.W.
Hickman, Sir Alfred
Hoare, Sir Samuel
Hunt, Rowland

Rea, Russell

Redmond, John E. (Waterford)

Redmond, William (Clare)

Roberts, John Bryn (Eifion)
Roche, John

Rose, Charles Day

Runciman, Walter

Sheehan, Daniel Daniel
Sheehy, David

Shipman, Dr. John G.
Sinclair, John (Forfarshire)
Spencer, Rt. Hn. C. R(Northants
Stevenson, Francis S.
Sullivan, Donal

Thomas, Sir A. (Glamorgan, E.
Thomas, D. Alfred (Merthyr)
Wason, Eugene (Clackmannan)
Wason, Jn. Cathcart (Orkney)
White, Luke (York, E. R.)
Wilson, John (Durham, Mid.)
Yoxall, James Henry

TELLERS FOR THE AYES-Mr.
Charles Hobhouse and Mr.
Whitley.

Pym, C. Guy
Rasch, Sir Frederic Carne
Reid, James (Greenock)
Richards, Henry Charles
Ropner, Colonel Sir Robert
Rutherford, W. W. (Liverpool)
Scott, Sir S. (Marylebone, W.)
Sharpe, William Edward T.

Kennaway, Rt. Hn. Sir John H Sloan, Thomas Henry
Kerr, John

Lawrence, Wm. F. (Liverpool)
Lawson, Jn. G. (Yorks., N. R.)
Lees, Sir Elliott (Birkenhead)
Legge, Col. Hon. Heneage
Llewellyn, Evan Henry
Long, Col. Chas. W. (Evesham)
Long, Rt. Hon. W. (Bristol, S.)
Lonsdale, John Brownlee
Lucas, Col. Francis (Lowestoft)
Macdona, John Cumming
M‘Killop, James (Stirlingshire)
Milvain, Thomas
Morrell, George Herbert
Murray, Charles J. (Coventry)
Murray, Col. Wyndham (Bath)
Newdegate, Francis A. N.
Nicholson, William Graham
Percy, Earl

Plummer, Walter R.
Powell, Sir Francis Sharp
Pretyman, Ernest George

Original Question again proposed.

MR. FLYNN (Cork, N.) said he was emboldened by the result of the last

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Smith, H.C(North'mbTyneside
Spear, John Ward
Stanley, Hn. Arthur (Ormskirk
Stanley, Rt. Hon. Lord (Lancs.
Stock, James Henry
Stroyan, John
Taylor, Austin (East Toxteth)
Thornton, Percy M.
Tomlinson, Sir Wm. Edw. M.
Tuff, Charles

Valentia, Viscount
Walrond, Rt. Hn.Sir William H
Warde, Colonel C. E.
Whiteley, H.(Ashton und. Lyne
Wilson, A. Stanley (York, E.R.
Wilson, John (Glasgow)
Wylie, Alexander

TELLERS FOR THE NOES--Sir Alexander Acland Hood and Mr. Ailwyn Fellowes.

division and from a sense of duty to continue the examination of the Estimates now before the Committee. He hoped that on every possible occasion hon. 2 N