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not if he had not brought in his bills. I what I shall presently haye to record of Therefore, they cannot be angry with la tithe-battle in Ireland, what can they him for the past; they can harbour no denrand more in the way of “ vigour ?"

revenge against him; and, if he will i Disciple. But you forget; you wholly c. now endeavour to carry on the reform overlook the House of Commons, all this.

affair with the suffrage taken from the while ! 10l. renters, he will be the best friend CobBETT. Gads so! I beg their that they ever had.

. honours' pardon, with all my soul ; DISCIPLE. What! Lord Grey the and .... friend of the boroughmongers !

DISCIPLE. Yes; you forget that, if COBBETT. Yes; and their best friend, Lord 'Grey were to break all" his if he remain in office with this part of pledges, if he were to wish to keep his. the bill stripped of its power.

place though the bill were in fact deDisciple. Yet I cannot help thinking stroyed, and if the Lords were to permit that they would turn him out, because him to do this, the Commons would not, men are always so fond of power. and could not.

COBbert. Aye; but it is trouble and COBbetr. Why could they not? I danger here, and not power. Besides, do not say that they could ; but pray who is to be Minister in his place ? | tell me why they could not. Strathfieldsay's Duke? He does not Disciple. Why, they are, a vast ma.. seem to be overloaded with anything jority of them pledged to the bill, to the but our money; but he has not so little whole bill; and can they ever give their sense as to take the post of Prime assent to the bill, when the main part of Minister again. Who is to take it, it is rubbed out? And if they do not then ? and that, too, upon the express give their assent to the alterations, the ground that Strathfieldsay was driven Lords must give way, or the bill cannot from it? Why, nobody. And is it not pass; so that, in either case, Lord GREY evident, that the very thing for the cannot keep his place, and endeavour to Tories to pray for is, that the bill may carry on the affair with a mutilated bill. be made inefficient, and that GREY COBBETT. Now, in the first place, I should remain in power, with his thun- do not say that the bill will pass at all, dering standing army, his sword-bearing but I say that Grey will vigorously stick. police, and all his “ vigour ?Power to his place, and all his set along with is not now what power was. There are him, let happen what may. Next I do no millions now to fling about : the say, that if the House of Commons reTHING is now got into shoal-water, Iject the alterations made by the Lords, with here and there a breaker at her and if the bill be rejected, the faithful service. The boroughmongers now Commons will, as they did last time, begin to see that it is well if they can vote some reso ution, address, or some retain all but the boroughs. They are thing expressive of unabated confidence afraid of the 101. clause, lest it should in the Ministers, or, in other words, bemake matters worse. They would now seeching them, little Hobhouse and all, be happy to escape, leaving only the to remain in their places and to SAVE boroughs behind them. And GREY the country! tells them that he will heep the peace, Discipub. Oh God! I cannot think whatever may become of the bill ! so badly of human nature. What do they, or can they, want more? Cobbert. Badly or goodly, human Why, only for the “ vigorous” fellow nature or inhuman nature, this is what to pay the debt too, in full tale and in 1 think, that, in this case, they will do

gold of full weight and fineness; only But my opinion is, that the bill, with. · this more, and to cause the tithes to be the ten-pound clause destroyed in effect,,

yielded. That's all. And where are will be agreed to by the Commons ; and, they to find a more “ vigorous” pro- that ... . ..

tector? where a Minister more ready to DisciPLE. Oh, no! What pledged as: ..." vindicate the law ?” When they see they are! Elected as they were for the

express purpose of carrying " the whole Inow think that he has never been sine, hili !"

cere from the first, I think, and, indeed, COBBETT. I do not care for that. That the nation knows, that he held his power, is my opinion ; and further I will bet and, indeed, got it, on the ground of his you what you like that BURDETT is proposing a reform of the Parliament: amongst the foremost in applaudling and this was at once the title and the tenure supporting this mode of proceeding ; of his power. I believe, however, that he and that his dirty scouts' out of doors ” wished for a reform; but his leclaramove, in some way or other, an address tions of a very recent date proved that of thanks to the Ministers, expressing he had “ corrected the opinions of his unbounded confidence in them! These youth" upon the subject. I believe are my opinions, and of all the men in therefore, that when he brought in his the kingdom, I shall be the most glad first bill, he really wished to carry it; if it should appear that I am wrong in but I believe also, that he is now afraid, entertaining these opinions. But look of his own bill; that he thinks it will ing at all the facts; taking a cool lead to changes that he never contemsurvey of all I behold, I come to the plated ; and that he would now be exo, above conclusions; and it is my duty to ceeilingly glad to see the people, quiet explicitly state them to my readers. while he kept his place, though the bill, Neither of the two factions want to see should be, in fact, rendered wholly into a'reform of the Parliament; they both efficient for good to the people. But know that both would lose by it ; place as to my consistency in this respect, may. and rower are not now worth their quar- I not, when he brought in his first bill, relling for ; they never were so nearly have believed him to be sincere ; and réconciled as they are now; mutual may I not, now; believe him to have danger makes them forget, or at least been insincere then? May I not do this care little about, matters of rivalship ; without being chargeable with inconthe desirable thing to both is, a ministry sistency?. At one time eleven of the that can keep the people quiet without apostles believed JUDAS Iscariot to be, giving them any real reform; this is sincere; they, at a later period, all be-; what is wanted by both, and both think lieved him to have been a traitor in his that Grey and his crew are well calcu- heart at that very time. But was there lated for this purpose. And I am quite any inconsistency in their conduct ? At. ; serious when I say that I expect to see the time when Burdett was everlastingly GREY a great favourite with the bitterest bawling in our ears, that the “Great.. of the TORIES. If such should be the "families were the curse ofthe country; upshot; to what amusing and instructive that the leaves ought to be torn out of reflections the forhearance of Grey to-"THE ACCURSED RED-BOOK ; and that no 1 wards the Tories will give rise! We'good could come to the country with shall then see that there was sense in " out a radical reform of ihe Parlia-, keeping and appojuting Tory Lords“ ment; " when he was bawling these Lieutenants ! Doctor Black will then things in our ears, I'thought him sino: see explained all that has appeared so cere; but when, some years afterwards, .. mysterious to him, and we shall all cease 1 saw him stick his knees in Canning's. to wonder at the great and constant back, while this fellow was declaring, complaisance of Grey towards STRATH- that he would, oppose Parliamentary ra JIELDSAY.'.

reform to the last hour of his life, in, , Disciple. What, then, do you think, whatever shape or degree it miyht ap- . that GREY has never been sincere from pear; when I saw Burdett do this, then the beginning? If you think so, pray I believed that he had always been a do not say so in print; for, here will be hypocrite: and this was not being ina charge of inconsistency surpassing all cinsistent, but the contrary. So with the other charges of that sort so often regard to GREY. . I wish with all, my, made against you.

heart that I may now be in error. 1: COBBETT. Asto the question, whether wish that he may make the peers (una

less he can carry the bill without it);| THING .finds that it is likely to have or, that he may quit his post, and tell us political influence, though in the most plainly that the King refuses his assent to indirect and distant manner, it at once the making of peers. I wish this most resolves either to crush it, or have it as anxiously ; but I can express nothing a tool. If the former, it goes to work more than a wish. I have no confidence; with those means which are too well I have no hope, because hope must known to need a particular description : have belief to rest upon; and I have no if the latter, the THING first gets at belief, not the smallest, that Grey will some of the leading members of the aga do either of the two things which I have sociation; and, though mere vulyar just mentioned ; and, if he do neither of bribery would not, in most cases, sucthem; if he continue in his place with a ceed, the 'bribe of flattery, of familiar rejected or a mulilated bill; or, if he intercourse, of the surname, of the corsneak from his place without plainly dial shake by the hand, of the “ my telling the nation that he had not the dear sir,” of the dinner; this bribe is power to make the peers; if he do either but too often successful; and indeed it of these, it will be consistency in me to is, nine times out of ten, the bane, the declare him to have been a hypocrite ruin, the total perversion of all such asfrom the beginning, and that he has, insociations, which, when once the THING fact, never wished the bill to páss; but gets them into its clutches, are the inost has been amusing the people with these efficient of its tuols, and work more zeabills, while, like a true WHIG, he was lously than anybody else against popu.

preparing to keep the peace of the lar rights and public good; they becountry!" That is to say, to prevent come, in fact, so many branches of the the people from obtaining a reform by tree of corruption, and, as is the manforce.

fner of branches, they soon become more DISCIPLE. Well ; but what will the vigorous than the old ones, and are repeople say, and what will they do? Will commended by their freshness. the POLITICAL UNIONs be silent? Will DIŚCIPLE. What, then ! do you think they after all, ..........? that the political union of Birmingham,

COBbert. Why, as to POLITICAL for instance, will be silent now? UNIONS, they may lead the people, but COBJETT. I do not think so; but, they themselves may be led by others; after beholding the unaccountable apathy and those others may be amongst the of these unions, while they see the most efficient tools of the boroughmon-TITHE-COERCION Bill for Ireland passgers, having reform everlastingly on ing, you will allow me to have my fears. their lips. I have observed, that when If they can hold their tongues, while a societies, of whatever sort, consisting of bill is passing to tax us, in order to pay the middle or the working classes, are the amount of tithes due to Irish par. formed, and become numerous and are sons, I do not know any thing that will likely to have political weight, the move their tongues. For my own part, THING'S people instantly join them, my belief, as to what is intended, is just and soon become the leaders of them. as I have stated it to you. What the Thus it has been with the “ Literary people will do, I know not; but I know Fund,” with the “Printers' Pension well what they ought to do, and what Society," with all the “ benefit clubs," I advise them to do; and that is this, to "Bible Societies," School Societies," meet either immediately, or the moment with the “ Mechanics' Institutes," in they see any attempt made in the comLondon ; and, indeed, with all such af- mittee to mutilate the bill; and to peo fairs. The THING, when first one of tition against such mutilation, distinctly these associations appears, looks hard at declaring their own intentions, in case of it, surveys it all round about, takes such mutilation. 'To raise the qualificathe dimensions of it, considers well alltion of voters would be to destroy that the consequences of it, possible and efficiency of the bill which the Minister probable as well as certain. When the stands ptedged to preserve. Even accord

ing to the provisions of the bill, the main to ask for anything more, and to oppose body of the industrious classes is shut out, every demand for anything more. And and unjustly shut out, from all share in thus I most distinctly declared in all my the representation; the bill, as it now lectures in the north, and without calling stands, greatly diminishes the number of forth, in any one instance, an expression freemen and other working men en- of disapprobation. But, alter the bill in titled to vote; and if the qualification, this vital respect ; raise the suffrage ; narrowed as it has been in the bill, be shut the working peopie quite out; and raised, the working classes will be shut I not only withdraw my assent; but out altogether; they will be placed at everything that I can possibly do the mercy of an upstart aristocracy of against this act of injustice shall be money, and will in fact be slaves as done. complete as the blacks in the colonies, Disciple. I hope that, at any rate, who are represented by their masters, we shall see no such thing attempted who have a direct interest in the passing nor yielded to by Lord GkEy, and that of laws to keep them in slavery. The you will have to confess your error. reformers who know well that every COBBETT. I wish I may ; but I cannot man who is of sane mind and unstain- go beyond a wish. What do I hear? ed by indelible crime, has a right to I hear MELBOURNE, STANLEY, MACAUvote, did, for the sake of peace, and in LAY, all forward to notify to us that the the hope that the ten-pound suffrage reform will not bring us any relief: I would bring the voting within the in- see a resolution in Grey to uphold the fluence of the working people, give their tilhe-system ; I see him augmenting the assent to this bill; but, if the suffrage standing army, and hear Hobhouse tell be raised, this, the real efficiency of the Hume that he is prepared for fierce bill, will be destroyed; and the work- contests " with him on the subject of ing people will be not only as com- military expenditure; I see a plan for pletely excluded as before, but, while an armed police all over England, like they will have no power themselves, that of Ireland and I know that it is they will behold the power in the hands impossible that these men should not of that class who will constantly have see that the present Reform Bill, if put an interest in oppressing them; and, in into force, would blow all their schemes the bill thus altered, the reformers into air; and while I know this, I hear will see no hope of any cause of redress GREY say that the popular suffrage of their manifold grievances; but will inakes no part of the principle of the consider it as a fraudulent scheme for bill, that the qualification may be raised perpetuating the existence of those without any 'abandonment of that pringrievances, and as a breach of pletges ciple, and that it is for the Lords to do repeatedly given them. This is a fair with that suffrage what they please! statement of the case. For my own DisciplE. Yes ; but he does not say part, if the bill be altered at all in the that he will agree to what they may do way of raising the suffraye, or with re- in this way; and ... . gard to the metropolitan meinbers, I am! COBBETT. No, No, No! He does just as much its enemy as I have been its not say this; but neither does he say friend. I have always cared much less that he will make the peers if this be about the lopping off of rotten boroughs attempted, or that he will quit his place, than about the popular 'suffrage. I and tell the country that the King will know well that ten-pound suffrage is far not let him inake the peers; and thereshort of the people's due; but, for the fore, my belief is, that if the people do 'sake of peace, for the sake of harmony, not remonstrate, and that vigorously too, for the sake of preventing a violent con- and if they do not show that they are vulsion, I gave my assent to the bill, prepared for a legal assertion of their and with a resolution to give it a fair rights, he will keep his place with a trial ; and, if it were found efficient in mutilated bill, and that he will be supthe producing of cheap government, not ported by the House of Commons. I have viewed the subject in every way | Bill. This silence has proceeded from that I can view it; I have turned it the notion, that, by their taking part in about on every side; I have earnestly defence of the Irish, the Reform Bill sought after grounds for a different would be endangered. Never was there opinion ; but, at every trial, reason, plain a falser notion ; never was injustice common sense, has brought me back yet softened by forbearance. The to this conclusion ; and it is, therefore, i Minister capable of proposing that bill, useless to say anything more about the is quite capable of assenting to a mutimatter.

lation of his own Reform Bill; and the House of Commons, capable of pass

ing the Irish Tithe Bill, is quite capable LONDON POLITICAL UNION.

of supporting that Minister, if he keep Since the ahove was written, the his place with his mutilated bill, and Morning Chronicle has brought me the thereby break all his solemn pledges. following report of the proceedings of In short, it is the unaccountable silence this body on the 18th instant. "The of the Political Unions on this subject reader will not have got half way of Irish tithes, that has, I verily believe, through this report, before he will see lemboldened GREY to throw off all remore than sufficient cause for admiring serve, and to make the declaration, which that sagacity, that fineness of nose, that has, at last, roused the people. made the Duke of STRATHFIELDSAY and the Botley PARSON join hand-in-hand NATIONAL POLITICAL UNION. in a petition against POLITICAL UNIONS!! The weekly meeting of the council of this Here the reader will see that I am not union was held last night, CARTWRIGHT THOsingular in iny opinion about Grey's Mas. E.q. in the chair. intentions. Here are some of the best! The minutes of the former meeting were, as

usual, read and ratified. informed men ; here are some of the

The Secretary gave notice to members to soundest heads, not only in London, but renew their tickets. in the whole kingdom; and not one

REFORM. man of them who can possibly gain by Mr. GEORGE Rogers felt proud that the confusion, but must lose by it, and these bill had advanced in its progress so far as the men all acree with me in owinion as to second reading, but thought its enactment the intentions of the Ministers; and not

T uot therefore secured. The position it will

occupy in the committee, and the considerone man of them have I had any com-ation there to be given to it, will be not less munication with on the subject. But, interesting to the country, particularly after indeed, having the facts before them,

the admission attributed in the papers to Lord how can men of common sense and ofl,

Grey, as having been said by him in the late

discussion in the House of Lords, that the sincerity differ upon the subject ? bill in coinmittee would be in their Lordships"

My readers who recollect how much power and at their disposal. This concession I was censured, in October last, for furnished a subject of interesting apprehension

to the friends of reform, to whom Lord Grey. opposing, at the meeting of the county of

that he would not Surrey, an expression of confidence in

consent to introduce, vor countenance, any the Ministers, and for doing the same measure less efficient, less democratic in its elsewhere, will be pleased with the

ubject, or extensive in its results, than that frankness and manliness of Mr. CHURCH

which had been previously rejected uncere

mouiously by the Lords. Yet, though he bad · ILL, in confessing that he“ tvo reudily” thus pledged himself to a definite disfranagreed to such a petition ! He will be chisement, and extensiou of the number and pleased also with the declaration of Mr. qualification of electors, he can very coolly Savage, that he now finds that he was i

say in his place in the House, that though then deceived in Lord Grey.

he will not consent tu any mutilation or di

This was minution of the bill, their Lordships may act an assemblage of sincere and sensible with it as they think proper. Where is, then, men; and I record with pride this the stability of his worci, the jotegrity of his account of their proceedings. I have promise, or the proof of that faith reposed greatly disapproved of the silence of the encroachment is made in any part the

in hini ? Shall he staud quietly by wbile any Political Unions as to the Irish Tithe number of boroughs in any schedule less

tands so deci

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