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Aliyepresented, although at present they1" not mean to enter upon that subject We were not represented. This would be * now, as it is probable we shall have " the first object of the bill. A second " abundant opportunities to consider it " object of the bill would be to conjoin" afterwards; but I do say that this coun:

and consolidate certain boroughs, each |“ try has now a Legislature more calcu.

of which now returned two members to "lated to answer all the purposes of a good “Parliament, so as to return two mem- " Legislature than any other that can “bers for the consolidated boroughs; the" well be devised that it possesses, and * purpose of this being to prevent the in- " deservedly possesses, the confidence of

convenience of an addition to the pre- “ the country, and that its discussions * sent numbers of the House of Commons have a powerful influence in the " by the introduction of members for " country. And I will say further, that * places not before represented. And a " if I had to form a Legislature, I would * third provision of the bill would be to “ create one-not equal in excellence to * extend the elective franchise to persons " the present, for that I could not exo

not now entitled to vote, so as to prevent "pect to be able to do, but something " the abuse of the elective franchise in " as nearly of the same description as “ boroughs. In order to prove that he possible. I should form it of men " was seriously resolved to bring in this possessed of a very large proportion « bill in the event which he had men " of the property of the country, in * tioned, he proposed that the notice " which the landholders should have a * should be entered in the books, and" great preponderance. I, therefore, " that the Lords be summoned for Mon- “ am not prepared with any measure of * day next.”

“ Parliamentary Resorin, nor shall ang Good! So we have now two parlia-" measure of the kind be proposed BY mentary reforms ! Instead of no reform" THE GOVERNMENTAS LONG at all, we have the two parties contend1" AS I HOLD MY PRESENT POST ing for the honour of giving us a reform!“ TION.” How differept from the declaration of We have this, then, safely upon rethe Duke of Strathfieldsay, when he was cord; and, it never ought to be forgotten our Prime Cock! And let us now, by the people of England. If we were before we go any further, see what that to believe the drunken reporther, « his declaration was, for it is a thing, not Grace of Strathfieldsay " has softened only not to be forgotten by the people, somewhat'; for the reporther says, that, but something for a reformed Parlia- in this debate, he said, that when the ment to take into view, when they will Duke of Buckingham's Bill came before be inquiring (as I trust they soon will the House, he would give it his best conbe) into past transactions, and particu- sideration, with a view to sce, whether Jarly into transactions connected with it could be safely passed into a laws this man. The declaration, as published Oh, oh! he is becoming complying, in the newspapers, was as follows: then, is he! If he be ready to consider,

The Duke of WELLINGTON. “But then whether disfranchisement, enfranchise* the noble Earl had recommended the ment, and extension of suffrage, may " expedient of Parliamentary Reform, not safely be adopted, what becomes of " and remarked that he did not think his declaration of 2nd November 1830? 4 that the Government was as yet pre- That is gone, at any rate; or, rather, it " pared with any plan on the subject. remains, and will live for ever as a *The noble Earl was right, for cer- standard of the size of his capacity for * tainly the Government was not pre- governing a country. A little while be* pared with any plan of Parliamentary fore he made this memorable declara* Reform. I will go further, and say, tion, I advised him to give some little re" that I never heard that any country form, as the effectual means of keeping

ever had a more improved or more the hungry Whigs out of place. Thank “satisfactory representation than this. God, he did not follow my advice; for " country enjoys at this moment. I do if he had, we might have been noodled along for another year or two, gaping | seems to have been a title to favour with for the further good things that he had this Ministry, ever since they have been in store for us. He now sees his error; in power. For this reason their sin but he sees it too late : like all men of cerity has been suspected, and is yet this description, he becomes wise by suspected, by every body. The people tasting the fruits of his folly. What! are indignant at seeing themselves taxed It was bad enough to see him and his for the support of great swarms of the equally-wise colleague, Peet's-BILL-l openly-avowed enemies of that reform Perl, tack about, and propose Catholic which they are all so anxious to obtain. Emancipation ; but that was nothing. The bill, if it pass a second reading, isa to this ; for here, if the reporther do not it seems, to go into a committee on. lie, he is ready to consider, whether that Monday next; so that we shall soon may not be changed, which he declared know the result. With regard to the to be the most perfect system of legis- speeches, they contain, and they could lation that the world had ever seen, and contain, nothing new; but, there are two the equal of which no human wit could or three topics on which I shall offer a devise. - No

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few reinarks. 7. Having read the reporther's account Kirst, with regard to the charge so of what passed in this debate, I shall often made against Lord Grey of hay. remark on certain parts of it, knowing, ling been the cause of all this stir in the at the same time, that to do even this country, by having unnecessarily prodemands some apology to my readers. posed his Reform Bill, Strathfieldsay's The debates have gone, as far as Wed- Duke is reported to have said this in Desday night, this being Thursday morn- the following words: ing. They are to end, it seems, on Fri- The conduct of the Ministers has placed day, owing to the complaisance of Lord the country in this condition ; and before the Grey towards the Strathfieldsay-Duke : / quetion can have a calm and deliberate consi

deration, they ought to place the country in the and here let me stop to observe, that state, as regarded this question, in which it Lord Grey has lost, with the country, stood before. (Cheers.) Are we to be hurried more by his unaccountable complai- on in ihis state of things, with a measure sance towards this man than it is possi. which no one had attempted to prove to be ble for me to describe. The main body

practicable ? (Cheers.) Is the security of all ble for me to describe the main body the institutions of the country to be brought to of the people are sincere; and they find risk, because the House of Commons is in a it extremely difficult to believe, that the state which prevented it from giving to this Minister can be sincere towards them. I bill a deliberate consideration ? (Cheers.). My

Lords, I cannot think that the difficulties while he carries his complaisance to such

which have prevented the Commons from duly a surprising extent, towards this great considering this bill, and from taking the enemy of their cause, whose insulting course which would have been consistent with declaration of 1830 they have never for its own character, and with the safety of the gotten and never will forget, and with

roet and with constitution, are of a permanent nature. They

"I have been created by the Government, which declaration, I, for my part, have (Cheers.) They are only temporary, and yet not done. In truth, Lord GREY has they can, and they ought to be removed by suffered. prodigiously for his general the Government which created them. (Cheers.) complaisance towards the enemies of

is the enemies of Another reason which the noble Earl alleges reform. STURGES BOURNE, for instance, of the country demands this bill. . Now, my

for his change of opinion is, that the opinion quitted his seat rather than support re- Lords, I hold that there can be no doubt whatform, and the Minister seems to have ever that, from the close of 1829 to the beginbeen hugging him to his bosom ever ning vf 1831, there excisted no opinion in favour since. HORACE Twiss lost his seat by my Lords, no opinion generally prevalent

of reform in this country. (Hear.) I mean, his strenuous opposition to the first bill; amongst the people. (Hear! and a laugh.) I and Lord GREY gives him a sinecure repeat, my Lords, that I believe the fact to be, plaee, and he is now writing pamphlets that there was not any generally prevalent

feeling on the subject of reform in that period. against his Ministry and his measures. Po

:(Cheers.) The fact was fully admitted in the In short, to have been a bitter opponent discussions on the subject in the House of of the bill and an abuser of the people Commons, and has since been published to

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- the world. But when the revolution took him. The history of the scandalous

place in France, and when Belgium set an- transaction, to which Doctor Black al-, other example of the same nature, then a sentiment in favour of Parliamentary reforunludes, 18 this : CANNING became a mi,

en " savoiru.... That feeline was nister in May 1827. Instantly began to spread. (Hear.) That feeling was nister in May 1827. Instantly the called into existence by the events which bad Whigs, with the exception of Lord occurred abroad, and it had a great influence Grey, ran, in greediness, towards the on the elections which were then about to take

CRIB. Lord Johy RUSSELL had, at place, and had, consequently considerable in. Auence on the Parliament which met for the that : time, given notice of a motion first time in 1830. The 'noble Earl opposite for his Tonbridge-ware Parliamentary came into office at a time when such senti. reform ; but the old and insolent enemy ments prevailed in Parliament and throughout

of the people, CANNING, would have the country. (Hear.) Brit at that time both the House of Commons and the people would have lost all his old friends, if he had not been satisfied with a moderate reform; but the explicitly declared against Parliamentary noble Earl thought proper to dissolve the Par-reform. He did this, by saying that he liament, and to bring on an election at a time I would onnose it in water

time would oppose it, in whatever shape or of unparalleled excitement. (Hear.) There was no cause whatever. for the dissolution at degree it might be proposed, to the end that time, for the House of Commons would of his life. Hereupon Lord John Rusthen have passed a moderate Reform Bill. SELL, Sir BoBBY, BURDETT, HOBhouse, (Hear.)

and BROUGHAM, all tacked about : Lord · What ! · was there no demand for re- John Russell withdrew his motion for form from the close of 1829 to the be- the Tonbridge-ware reform; and he ginning of 1831?, How often will it be and Brougham both said, that the people necessary to assert the contrary of this ? no longer wished for reform. LansThere has been a demand for reform downe actually joined Canning, and beever' since I can recollect. I myself came his secretary of state. And the was in almost all the counties of Eng. Edinburgh Reviere, in an article written land, in the first half of the year 1830 : by this very MACAULAY, and published and I know that the cry for reform was in the month of June 1827, almost more general and more loud than I had called Lord Grey a stupid sot, for obever known it before. Doctor Black, Tjecting to come into power, without in his paper of this day, has the follow- being able to propose a Parliamentary ing curious passage, which manifestly reform! This was the occasion when gives countenance to Strathfieldsay's as- BurdeTT stuck his knees in CANNING's sertions. The passage I allude to is back. These fellows were agreed, inthis:-"A man cannot be always deed, to "waive reform ; and they “ pulling down and rebuilding his would have agreed, upon their oaths, to “ house, for though he may be satisfied abandon it for ever," upon condition of - of its defects, on casting up the ac- being admitted to the CRIB ; but is « counts, the inconvenience attendant Doctor BLACK warranted in describing " on an alteration may induce him to this miserable crew as the reformers “ submit as long as possible to these of England?Lord Grey did himself " defects. In this way for instance, great honour by rejecting the overtures " the reformers, aware of Mr. Canning's of Canning: he presented, in his con" sentiments with regard to reform, duct, such a striking contrast with the « agreed to waive the agitaiion of the other mean wretches, that it became " question, in order not to throw difficul- impossible for the nation not to have ties in his way at a time when they great confidence in him, and great con" believed that his Ministry would be fidence in him the nation has had on

' highly beneficial not only to this em-that very account. .The reformers” « pire, but to Europe in general." This never waived their claim for one single is as great a falsehood and as impudent moment; they remembered all the ina falsehood as ever was put upon paper. famous abuse poured on them by CANThe reformers" never agreed to any NING; they despised the bands of litesuch thing: they detested CANNING as rary hirelings, irish and Scotch, who cordially as they had always detested were well paid for singing the praises

of that insolent and shallow upstart; | debate was, the expense which would they execrated the Whigs, who were be the consequence of making a reform ready to join him and to abandon the of the Parliament. Strathfieldsay concáuse of reform ; and they loathed, even tended that reform of the Parliament, to sickness, thut Burdert, one-half of so far from 'relieving the people whose speeches for twenty years had from any part of their burdens, will been employed in reprobating the prin- add greatly to those burdens; for that, ciples and conduct of that very Canding. a much greater military force will be It was a crew of base Whigs rushing to required to keep the people in order. the crib, and not the reformers of Eng-One wonld suppose it almost impossible land, who entered into this villanous that this could have been delivered in agreement

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Parliament. However, it certainly does Strathfieldsay's Duke finds no coun- accord with that which the Ministers tenance here, therefore ; and as to the themselves have put forth. STANLEY, subject of reform not having been BABBINGTON MACAULAY, HOBHOUSE, agitated during the years 1829 and 1830, and in this debate MELBOURNE, have what a statement, what an assertion to all appeared anxious to declare that the be put forth in' print ; when it is noto- reform will certainly bring the people rious that the Duke's declaration against no pecuniary relief; and if I thought it ; that that and nothing else, drove that, I would oppose the reform as a him out of office! Long before the Par- cheat, as a scandalous fraud committed liament met in the fall of 1830; long upon the people ; nay, if I did not think before the last French revolution took it certain that the reform would bring place ; even before the prorogation of us cheap government, and cheap relithe previous Parliament, the cry for gion, I would cast it from me as somereform agitated the whole country ; so thing too despicable to engage my attenthat, to ascribe the stir now existing in tion for a moment. But now let us the country to Lord Grey ; to ascribe hear what Strathfieldsay is, by the rethe discontents of the people to him porther, made to say upon this subject; and his bilt, is the most monstrous act and I make no apology for dwelling of injustice that ever was committed. upon this subject, for it is the all in all; Upon this part of the subject, the and I declare beforehand, that the respeech of my Lord RADNOR was com- form will not be worth a straw unless plete. It was a complete defence of it give us government and religion as Lord Grey against this charge; a de- cheap as those in the United States fence which neither he nor any one for of America ; and I further declare, him has ever before made.

that, for my part, nothing shall inBut the best part of Strathfieldsay's duce me to sit in any Parliament speech is this: he is reported to have more than one session, unless the peosaid, that, if Lord Grey, when he came ple will support me, and that in the into power, had proposed a moderate proper manner too, in my endeavours reform, the people would then have been to produce that cheap government and satisfied with it. Indeed! Why did not that cheap religion. I do not want a you, then, propose that moderate re- parliamentary reform for the sake of a form? Why did not you yourself pro- theory. I want it that I may get rid of pose that, instead of declaring that you the tax-gatherer ; that I may be allowed would never give any at all? I advised to make my own nalt, grow my own you to do it; but luckily you rejected hops, turn my own fat into soap, keep my advice : you followed your own what horses I like, keep what servants course; and now you are feeling the I like, keep what dogs I chooses have consequences of it; and I trust you will what windows I want without being continue to feel them, even unto the liable to have my house rummaged, to end of your life.

• be called before commissioners and Another and very important topic judges, to be fined and in prisoned, or printing introduced into this publication of a to yield half my substance in táxis administra

in tithes. These are the things that I Were the events at Lyons, as speedily, and want a reform for. I want it that the easily quelled know, my Lords, that those

events were of a larger nature, but they retaxes and titbes, may not take away quired not less than 40,000 of the best troops from the employers, the means of pay-lin France, headed by a most able general, the ing the working people wages that will minister at war, and a prince of the blood, to give them meat and bread, instead of put them ment and bread, instead of put them down. Consider well, my Lords.

I first, the causes of this difference; and next potatoes. I want it, in short, for the see whether it is possible for you to expect vurpose of getting rid of the taxes and that the civil government can be carried on as the tithes. But the reporther makes hitherto, under a government such as you will Strathfieldsay asserts that reform will establish if you pass this bill. (Hear, hear!) muke me pay more taxes instead of less. Here, then, it is taken for granted

The noble Lord (his Majesty's Secretary of that there must be a stouter army still, Stare) who has spoken on this subject, has, and a much stouter gendarmerie, if the . admitted that this measure, extensive as it is, Reform Bill be passed, for that much will not relieve the distresses of the country. I say, my Lords, that it will deeply aggravate

Igreater disposition to riot will prevail; them. “But let us look further, and see whe- amongst the people. What I let us see ther the system itself is good, aud whether it a little how this tallies with other ob..s is likely to produce good to the country. If jections that have been made to the bill. your lordships will take the trouble of examin- The meest

examio: The great objection to the bill has been ; ing into what has passed within the last two years in France, you will see that the French and 18, that it gives too much power to expenditure has been increased in that time the people; that it will make the mem-fifty millions sterling beyond the usual ex-bers of Parliament dependant on the penditure. You will see that its ordinary | voice of the people at large, and the budget, notwithstanding the study that has been applied to be as saving as possible, ex-reportaer makes this DUKE say in this ceeds the budget of the former reigns-of the same speech, that demagogues and not extravagant reign of the Bourbons-by the gentleinen will be chosen in the great amount of ten inillions sterling; and besides towns; and that the members will act this, there is the extraordinary expenditure of fifty millions in two years. (Hear.) Look at upone Instructions immediately received that, my Lords, as a system of cheap govern. from their constituents. Put mon of.. ment-(hear); -and you will see that it is quite talent and integrity and public spirit, impossible to agree with the senseless asser- instead of " demagogues," and then tions made on that subject. Now let us see

all this is very true; and such really whether in this country this bill, supposing it. to be passed, is likely to make the govern. will be amongst the effects of the Remeut cheaper than it is now. Let us ask form Bill. But then, what becomes of ourselves whether the civil government will this monstrous additional expense and have more power to govern the country than additional force of

additional force, of which the Duke is it pow possesses; whether it is possible that the government can be carried on with a made to talk? Either the people, the smaller proportion of the army. I beg your whole mass of the people, will obtain Lordships to look at the transactions that have additional power by this Reform Bill, or taken place at Paris in the course of the last they will not. if the latter then where two years, and see whether that has been the case; I am sure you cannot think so. when is the ground of apprehension to the you see that while Louis XVIII. and Charles X. aristocracy? If the former, is there a were on the throne, they were enabled to man so senseless as to believe that this maiutain the peace of Paris with a gendarmerie all-powerful people, who will instruct of from 500 to 1000 men; but that, since the Revolution of July, the Government has not

their constituents what laws to pass, will had less than 60,000 men once a month put into give them positive instructions to aug. requisition to maintain the peace of the city. ment the military and gendarmerie force (Hear, hear.) Why, with a government found-l in order to keep themselves down and to ed as this must be, on the sovereignty of them

make them pay taxes? Upon one or people, a government such as we must have, if we adopt this bill, will any man tell me that other of the horns of this dilemma the country under such a government will be Strathfieldsaye's repurther is fairly hung able to have its peace preserved with a small up; and let him get off if he can.. . . body of military? The disasters that occurred al Bristol were put down, my Lords, by ninety.

O no! 'The French story, as ap

The men, as soon as an officer, was found who plied to us, is not worth a straw.

uld employ the force entrusted to hiin. French are not represented, any more

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