measures as may at the same time conciliate bis Majesty's Roman Catholic subjects, and provide for the security of the Protestant establishment, so as to extinguish animosity, and promote concord and unanimity, among all classes of the community. Notwithstanding the repeated discussions of this question which have taken place, and the advanced state of the session, such is the importance of this subject, that I should propose rather a distant day for bringing for ward this Resolution. Some day next week might, perhaps,

be convenient for this purpose, and I should therefore suggest , I

Wednesday se'nnight.” Eurl Grey-"My conduct, my Lords, in regard to this question, is too well known to make it necessary for me lo say, that when the resolution of which notice has now been given, is brought forward, it shall meet with my most cordial and zealous support. Twice in the present sessionrepeatedly in former sessions-have I contended, to the best of my ability, that it was both just and expedient that you sbould

go to the full extent of the relief claimed by his Majesty's Roman Catholic subjects. I caonot help congratulating the country--I cannot help congratulating myself-that this question will now be submitted to your lordships' attention under new and happier auspices, and with brighter prospects of success. Your lordships must recollect what were the consequences of proposing to extend a small favour to the Roman Catbolics : for it was called, and justly called, only a little concession in the Mutiny Bill. Your lordships must recollect the circumstances under which the present Parliament was chosen. It was exactly five years yesterday since this Parliament first assembled, On the 22d of June, 1807, this Parliament met, after baving been elected (amidst the clamours of No Popery.

Earl of Buckinghamshire--"I really must call the noble lord to order. A notice of motion is given, and when the motion is brought forward, then will be the time for the noble lord to deliver bis sentiments on this subject. The poble lord, however, is utterly passing the limits usually allowed on a notice, and is proceeding to discuss the subject as if the motion were actually made. This, my Lords, Lapprehend, is altogether irregular."

Earl Grey-" I intended to have troubled your lordships with only a very few observations at present. Perhaps, however, they may be as well preserved for the day on wbich the discussion shall regularly come on. But I had only to move that the lords be summoned for that day, and then I might have proceeded in a regular way. I must say, however, that if I was out of order, the noble marquis who gave the notice must also have been out of order. In a question of this importance, perhaps a rigid adherence to regularity mighi for once have been dispensed with.”

The Marquis Wellesley—My Lords, if I have been out of order, my apology is, that I have been so with the sanction of the noble and learned lord on the woolsack"- hear,


Lord Redesdale The noble and learned lord on the woolsack stated, that there was another question then before the House, but that, for the convenience of the House, the notice of the noble marquis might, notwithstanding, be given."

Marquis Wellesley—“ I consulted the noble lord on the woolsack before I gave my notice. He informed me that there was a question then before the House (a question res specting the appeal, Waterpark and Austin) and that it would be irregalar to give the notice; bgt that for the convenience of the House, the irregularity would be passed over. I say again, therefore, that if I was out of order, it was with the sanction of the learned lord on thé woolsack. I did not, that I am aware of, exceed the usual limits allowed in giving notices. I entered into no discussion, but stated, as I conceived I had a right to do, the precise object of the Resolation to wbich I intended to call your lordships' attention. If I have exceeded the usual limits allowed in such cases, I hope the noble and learned lord will give the proper explanation, and state in what respects I have overstepped the ordinary bounds."

Lord Chancellor I shall certainly not be so irregular as to enter into any snch explanation.”

Marquis Wellesley" Then the noble and learned lord will not be so irregular as to do me justice. It is an irregularity, it seems, to do me justice”-Order, order!)

(I'he Chief Justice of the Common Pleas then delivered, in a few words, the opinion of the Judges on the Appeal; and the further consideration was postponed till to-morrow.)

Earl Grey then proposed to move, that the lords be summoned for Wednesday se’onight, and upon this question


present session. I trust, however, it will be considered early in the next session, with a view to put an end to the political disabilities of all descriptions of Dissenters from thę established Church, as far as is consistent with the safety of the constitution. There is not a man in the kingdom who is a greater friend to the Protestant establishment than he who now addresses you ; but the more I consider this question, the less yalue I have for some of the securities about which so much has been said on former occasions. The best security for the Protestant establishment, as well as for the empire at large, is to put an end to those animosities and discords which have been, and are, such a source of national weakness, at a time when we have so much occasion for our utmost strength. Any reasonable security, how ever, I should vote for ; but I trust this measure will not be clogged with limitations and conditions that may serve to render it altogether nugatory, or in a great degree defeat its object, and prevent the good effects which must otherwise result from its adoption-(hear, hear!) I again congratulate the House, and the country, on the brighter prospect of a final and satisfactory adjustment of this great and important question ; and have only to repeat, that the intended resolution shall have my cordial and zealous support.

Earl Stanhope observed, that he would, in two days, fix a day for ihe second reading of the Dissenters Bill. He wished, the second reading to be postponed till after the discussion of the noble Marquis's resolution, But he trusted, that even those who resisted the granting of political power to the Catholics, would not support persecution.

The Duke of Norfolk expressed his regret that it was not intended immediately to take the subject of the Catholic claims into consideration; and said, that when the resolution came to be discussed, he should urge the necessity of applying themselves, without delay, to the consideration of the laws against the Catholics, especially after the manner in which the subject had been treated at the aggregate meeting of the Irish Catholics.

Earl Darnley said, he would support the resolution ; and asked the noble lord behind him (Grosvenor), whether he intended to bring forward his motion on the State of the Nation.

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stances, he did not think it necessary to persevere in his intention to submit that motion to the House.

Wednesday se'nnight was then fixed for bringing forward the resolution; and the Lords were ordered to be summoned for that day.

The House then went into a Committee on the Curates Bill, when it underwent considerable discussion.



TUESDAY, June 23. A new writ was ordered for Bristol, in the room of the Right Hon. Charles Bragge Bathurst, who had accepted the office of Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster.

Mr. W. Bootle presented a Petition from John Higgins, the keeper of Lancaster gaol, praying inquiry. It stated that Sarssum had attempted to escape, and had in conse. quence been committed to closer confinement, but had been released on expressing contrition.

Mr. Brougham bore testimony to the excellent and exemplary character of the gaoler.

The Petition was ordered to lie on the table. The Mail Coach Exemption Bill was lost by a majority of 3;-47 being for itand 50 against it.

ORDERS IN COUNCIL. Mr. Brougham said, that having felt considerable anxiety with regard to the course which it was the intention of Ministers to pursue on this subject, it was peculiarly gratifying to him to learn that an Order had that day been issued by the Prince Regent in Council, which, if he might be allowed so to speak, was perfectly and in every way satisfactory to bimself and to his friends, who entertained a similar opinion with bimself. It was on this account he now rose to move, that the order of the day for calling over the House, which stood for Thursday next, be discharged. He here wished to express his sense of the very proper, frank, and manly conduct of his Majesty's Governo ment in recalling those Orders, without attaching any conditions to the repeal, that were likely to frustrate its effects. To say more might be unnecessary, but to have said less would be unfair towards his Majesty's Goverament. As a

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