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Captain Manby too with a folly and madness known it; as your Majesty finds one witness apequal to his supposed iniquity, nust then lave pealing to another, who is pointed out as a person put his life in the hands of my servants and de- who must have been able, with equal means of pended for his safety upon their fidelity to me, knowledge, to have confirmed her if she spoke and their perfidy to the Prince their master. true, and to have contradicted her if she spoke If the excess of vice and crime in all this is false. And, Sire, when added to all this, your believed, could its indiscretion, its madness, find Majesty is graciously pleased to recollect that credulity to adopt it almost upon any evidence? Mr. Bidgood was one of those who, though in But what must be the state of that man's mind, my service, submitted themselves voluntarily to as to prejudice, who could come to the conclu- be examined previous to the appointment of the sion of believing it, from the fact of some water. Commissioners, 'in confirmation of Lady Dongjugs and towels being found in an unusual place, las's statement, without informing me of the in a passage near my bed-room? For as to his fact; and when I state to your Majesty, upon suspicion being raised by what he says he saw in the evidence of Philip Krackeler and Robert the looking-glass, if it was as true as it is false, Eaglestone, whose deposition I annex, that this that could not occasion, his believing, on any unbiassed witness, during the pendency of these particular night, that Captain Manby slept in my examinations before the Commissioners, was seen house; the situation of these towels and basons to be in conterence and communication with is what leads to that belief. But, Sire, may Lady Douglas, my most ostensible accaser, do I I ask, did the Commissioners believe this man's raise my expectations too bigh, when I confisuspicions ? If they did, what do they mean by dently trust that his malice and his falsehood, as saying that these facts of great indecency, &c. well as his connexion in this conspiracy agaiost went to a much less extent than the principal my honour, my station in this kingdom, and my charges? And that it was not for them to state life, will appear to your Majesty too plainly for their bearing and effect? The bearing of this bim to receive any credit, either in this or any fact unquestionably, if believed, is the same other part of his testimony.--The other ciras that of the principal charge: namely, to cumstances to which he speaks, are compara. prove me guilty of High Treason. They there. tively too tritling for me to trouble your Majesty fore could not believe it. But if they did not with any more observations upon his evidence. believe it, and as it seems to me, Sire, no men -The remaining part of the case which reof common judgment conld, on sich a statement, spects Captaiu Manby, relates to my conduct at how could they bring themselves to name Mr. East Cliff.- --How little Mrs. Lisle's examinaBidgood as one of those witnesses on whose un- tion affords for observations upon this part of the biassed testimony they could so rely? or how case, except as shewing how very seldom Cap; could they, (in pointing him out with the other tain Manby called upon me while I was there, I three as speaking to facts, particularly with re have already observed. Mr. Cole says uothing spect to Captuin Manby, which must be credited upon this part of the case; nor Mr. Bidgood. till decidedly contradicted, onit to specify the The only witness amongst the four whose testi-, facts which he spoke to that they thus thought monies are distinguished by the Commissioners as worthy of belief, but leave the whole, including most material, and as those on which they parti. this incredible part of it, recommended to be cularly rely, who says any thing upon this part of lief by their general and unqualified sanction the case, is Fanny Lloyd. Her deposition is as and approbation.
follows _“I was at Ramsgate with the PrinBut the falsehood of this charge does not cess in 1803. One morning when we were rest on its incredibility alone. My servant Mrs. " in the house at East Cliff, somebody, I don't Sander, who attended constantly on my person, " recollect wlio, knocked at my door, and de and whose bed-room was close to mine, was ex- “ sired me to prepare breakfast for the Princess. amined by the Commissioners; she must have This was about six o'clock; I was asleep. known this fact if it had been true; she posi- " During the whole time I was in the Princess's tively swears, “ that she did not know or believe “ service, I had never been called up before to that Captain Mauby staid till very late hours “ make the Princess's breakfast. I slept in the with me; that she never suspected there 'was any “ honsekeeper's room, on the ground-Noor. I improper familiarity between us. M. Wilson, “ opened the shutters of the window for light. who made my bed, swears, that she had been in " I knew at that time that Captain Manby's ship the habit of making it ever since she lived with “ was in the Downs. When I opened the shutme; that another maid, whose name was Ann“ ters, I saw the Princess walking down the Bye, assisted with her in making it, and swears « Gravel-Walk towards the sea. No orders had from what she observed, that she never had any “ been given me over-night to prepare breakfast reason to believe that two persons had slept in it." early. The gentleman the Princess was, with Referring thus by name to her fellow-servant, was a tall inan. I was surprised to see the who made the bed with her; but that servant, “ Princess walking with a gentleman at that why I know not, is not examined. As your time in the morning. I am sure it was the Majesty then finds the inference drawn by Bid“ Princess.” -What this evidence of Fanny good to amount to a fact so openly and undis. Lloyd applies to, I do not feel certain that I reguisedly protligate, as to outrage all credibility; collect. The circumstances which she mentions as your Majesty finds it negatived by the evi- might, I think, have occurred twice while I was dence of three witnesses, one of whom, in par- there, and wbich time she alludes to, I cannot ticular, if such a fact were true, must have
(To be continued.)
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COBBETT'S WEEKLY POLITICAL REGISTER.
VOL. XXIII. No. 14.]
LONDON, SATURDAY, APRIL 3, 1813.
[482 TO JAMES PAUL,
bility; and, as the Princess's defence does,
in my opinion, demolish the testimony of Or BURSLEDON, in Lower DUBLIN TOWN- the other three, Mrs. Lisle alone remains as
SHIP, IN PHILADELPHIA COUNTY, IN THE a witness whose testimony has some weight. STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA; ON MATTERS It was, therefore, in the opinion of Mr. RELATING TO HER ROYAL HIGHNESS THE Whitbread, of great consequence to explain PRINCESS OF WALES.
every circumstance relating to the mode
which the Four Lords pursued in getting Letter VI.
at and in recording this testimony. I will My dear friend,
uot, for fear of mistakes, attempt to make This Letter will conclude the remarks any abstract, or abridgment, of his speech which I mean to address to you, relative to upon this occasion; but, will insert it just the interesting affair of the Princess of as I find it reported in the Times newsWales. I have, indeed, already gone into paper of the 18th of March, that being the the whole of the subject as far as it is ne- fullest report that I have been able to find cessary for me to go into it, seeing that the of Mr. Whitbread's speech, which, as far Defence of the Princess leaves so very little as related to the subject before us, was as to be said by any one. But, there have follows: " He must,” he said, “ trouble arisen certain matters, forming the sequel" the House for a few minutes with some of the disclosure, which are well worthy" passages in Mrs. Lisle's evidence, relaof your attention; and, of these, the most tive to the Princess and Captain Manby. important are, the debates, or, rather, the " Mrs. L. could not say there was any atremarks and counter-remarks, which have " tacliment; and she never saw auy kissing been made in the two Houses of Parlia- " hands, &c. He wished to confine himment, relative to the deposition of Mrs. " self to material points. After the eviLisle, which deposition you will find in dence was given, the depositions were the Register, at page 393.
"taken; and he was not surprised, under MR. WHITBREAD, in the House of Com- " all the circumstances, at Mrs. Lisle's mons, on the 17th of March, last past, re- 6s signature to the deposition; but he was, ferred to this affidavit, or deposition, and " he must consess, surprised to find leading he animadverted upon the conduct of the “ questions put to her by his Learned Four Lords, who took it down. The Four Friend, the Lord Chancellor Erskine; Lords, in their place, in the House of questions on which that Noble and LearnLords, a few days afterwards, entered into “ed Lord, when an advocate, would have an explanation, vindicated their own con- "expired, sooner than have permitted to duct, and spoke in very severe terms of the “ be answered by any witness of his, on a attack which had been made upon them. 66 trial in a Court of Law. One would be
Before I enter further into this matter, I" tempted by the deposition to think, that beg you to observe, that it is of very great
6. Mrs. L. said all in one breath as it' were. importance; because, as you will have " The question in the examination was put perceived, of the whole of that crowd of " 10 Mrs. L. “ Did Captain Manhy sit witnesses, who were examined upon this next to the Princess at dinner?". Yet, in occasion, Mrs. Lisle is the only one, 10 " the deposition, it seemed as if she stated whose testimony the Princess appears to at "it voluntarily. Then Lord Erskine asks tach any importance; and, indeed, she is " Mrs. L. “ whether they all sat just as the only witness whose testimony seems to or the four Noble Lords sat round their merit any serious refutation. She is, as 66 table with her?” Mr. W. remarked on was observed in my last Letter, one of the “ various other questions put to Mrs. L., four persons, upon whose testimony the “s and expressed his astonishment that so charge of impropriety of conduct did, in “ many leading questions should have been the eyes of the Four Lords, rest for credi. “ put to her. " What! did the Princess
" and Caplain Manby sit apart? Whal, if "putation upon her! Let Gentlemen “ sitting logether, do you suppose they" bring to their consideration the situation " talked about?" Lords Erskine and El- 6 of their own wives, sisters, and daugh“ lenborough put these questions; and then "ters.
" ters. When they left home to attend " the deposition is to go out to the world " to their public or private business, would “ to impress the sense of guilt on the part “ they not treat with contempt and scorn, " of the Princess. The answer of Mrs. L. " evidence such as this, if it was attempted 'us regarding the conversation was, that she" to charge criminality upon it? (Hear, 66 did not listen to it. Then Lord Erskine “ hear.) They might be disposed to pro“ desires her to answer him, as a woman so secute the calumniator: but Her Royal • of reason, character, and of knowledge" Highness did not stand in the situation “ of the world, whether the Princess's “ of a person for whom such steps could ** conduct was proper for a married woman
66 be taken. He was ashamed of soine "-he puts it to her honour as a mother? of the examination. It was asked,
Really, there never was a question put to " whether she went out with Mr. Hood in só a female witness which could make the a whiskey? Whether he drove it? This “ chords of sensibility vibrate more stroug. was something like the inode of cross6 ly in her beart. The answer was col. " examination..: "Who was there besides " lected, dignified, affectionate, and mo- bi Mr. Hood's servant ?' ! Was he a man " therly, for the question referred to her " or a boy” (A laugh.) "How often “ own family: " my daughter,” she says, “ did she go out so ? Was it fair-play " " lived well with her husband." To the " to the Princess to extract answers in that “ question again, whether the Princess “ manner? Then they came to Mr. Ches“ lived as a married woman oyght? Mrs. ter, who was stated to be 6
a pretty “ L.'s answer was, not like the statement in young man.' (A laugh.) This was “ tlie deposition. Lord Ellenborough, in-" too ludicrous to be serious, and yet too 6 deed, said to the Chancellor," I suppose " serious to be ludicrous. The inference “ you'd put it as any married woman. 66 seemed to be, that there was a preposWhat did you
of the session for him, because he was hand" Princess's talking with Caplain Manby?"
It was asked, “Is he not hand" was another question : but these were
The answer was, “pretty. never answered, though we had some- “All that was nauseous had been read; " thing about them in the deposition. He 66 but he should notice one point: ile wit
was sorry to be obliged to animadvert ness was asked, “Do you recollect the
upon the conduct of the four Noble “ Princess getting up and going ont of her " Lords Commissioners; but he should be “ room into another at night, for a light ?' “ doing injustice to the cause of justice, if Answer, “I do.' Why,' say two law. • he did not say, that, if the accused had ".
yers, did she gel up in the night ?' “ been provided with an advocate, wit- (laugh.) Yet this was in the deposi* nesses would have been protected, or • tion; and the shakers of heads continued “ prevented from answering inany inter- to shake, because Mrs. Lisle had de.
rogatories that were put to them. “posed so and so. That was not a fair * Princess, says Mrs. L., is free and construction of Mrs. Li's evidence, if " condescending.' 'Thali' says the Chan- 66 the exaninations were read. I heard i cellor, is not my question. I thought,'" Her Royal Highness say,' says the witsay's Mrs. L., • that the Princess liked "6
• That she had been ill, and that "lo lalk with Caplain Manby, rather than “ her candle was gone oute' Was not che "s with the Ladies.' Let the House recol- ** Princess to be in a situation coin mon 10 * lect, that there were, and are attached“ every subject of the realm ? The public 66 to the Princess, persons of high consi- “ mind must form her shield, and her « deration ; yet could any body doubt that protection. Read the evidence, and say “ when new society, which afforded new " whether she has not a right to be treated " topics of conversation, broke in upon the as innocent, till she be proved guiliy. s sameness—the fatigue of retired and “ Mrs. L.'s testimony gives an easy, na" mock royalty,--debarred from many "tural, and probable solution, of this
of amusement,-yet uncompen- “ mysterious transaction. (Heur.) Mr. 6 sated by even the trappings of her state, " Chester, it seems, walked out twice * could any body doubt, or be surprised," with the Princess; and he was left at " that the Princess should find something" Lord Sheffield's. Then for Captain s in it agreeable? Yet that was an in- “ Moore. He dined there, and where, it
was asked, did he go afterwards ? Why, seem to involve a dereliction of his duty;
down stairs: she sent him for a book." but he trusted nothing should so far. " How long was he in gelling il?' " make him forget that duty, as to touch "Twenty minutes. Then it was asked, upon matters by whose disclosure it “ how long he staid the second time. This " might be impaired. But the character
part of the examination was as much like " of his Noble Culleagues must not be left an impulation on Mrs. Lisle,
" to suffer through his silence. They " the Princess. Well then: the Princess" were all placed in the strange and hard
actually made Captain Moore a present " situation where they must be condemned " of a silver inkstand: Mrs. L. saw hin unheard, or look for an imperfect vindi* afterwards on the Princess Charlotte's “cation by the scauness of their right to is birth day, when he went away before explain. But nothing should prevent “ ihe rest of the company. He (Mr. W.) "him giving the fullest denial so the cais
might now go to Mr. Lawrence, and so "lumny in question,--thut Joulest, basest, so
on to the end of the chapter in ihe same “ and most mulignunt calumny that could * manner. He had, he conceived, done“ have been thrown out against men in
enough in referring to this book; and the situation which he and his Noble "he clearly saw that the notes of the ex- “ Colleagues had held. It would be "amination look the sling. entirely oul of
remembered that some years since His " the depositions."
Majesty lead been advised to issue a This was the speech of Mr. WHITBREAD,
" Commission for an inquiry into matters as reported in the news papers.
" which involved some eminent persons in by some weans, obtained a written
ol 이 “ this country. In that Commission his the questions put to the witnesses. This" (Lord Ellenborough's) name was inpaper, it seems, he read to the house, seried, without his knowing any thing of making his remarks on it as he proceeded the matter. Once engaged by His MaNo notice, in public, was taken of this, " jesty's command, he did his duty to the by the Four Lords, till the 22d of March,
6 best of his power.
But it was in the when they all four spoke of it in the House “performance of that duty that some perof Lords. Lord Ellenborough, the Lord son, with the most abandoned and deChief Justice, led the way ; and, as the "leslable slander, had dared to charge olher three gave their full assent to the 66 hin with a gross act of dishonesty; him, correctness of his statement, I will not on whose character for integrity, diliinsert any of their speeches except his, "gence, and care, depended more of the which I take from the Report, published property and interests of the people than in the Times news-paper of the 23d of
on those of
any other man in the country; March, and which report gave it in the "yet of him, it was foully and slanderfollowing words.
ously alleged, that he had falsified the “ Lord Eilenborough commenced by " evidence given before the Commission,
saying, that he had to trouble their “ giving in as a document, evidence that " Lordships on an occasion, in which many " was not received, and suppressing that " motives concurred to make him coine " which was actually given. This was all " forward reluctavily. The House would " a lie-a vile slander,—all satse as Hell. “ understand, that the circumstance to " He would not violate the propriety of ** which he alluded, was connected with " that House; he kuew the respect and " the mention of individuals whom bis re- “6 decenicy which it required; but he must *i spect would not allow him lightly to give the lie to falsehood. He should now
name. He was aware, that in coming " Trouble the House with a short staleinent " forth to clear himself, there might be " of facts. In the course of the inquiry "an imputation of weakness and irritation" his Noble Colleagues thought it proper " under ihe charge which forced him for- so to have some person to take down and “ ward; but then it was necessary that
His Majesty's ti truth 'should be told; there were cases, " Solicitor General at that time, (Sir “' in which all of respect that we could feel “ Sainúel Romilly,) was the person fixed “før general opinion,--all of credit that" on. One evening the Commission hav" we could claim with the world, -all ho- “ing met, and the witnesses being in at"hour and propriety urged us on exculpa-" tendance, it was thought better not 10 "tion. Auother reason still might retard" defer the examination, and lose the even" him,- he was a Privy Councillor: go- ing, though from some circumstance or "ing into a question of this nature might "other Sir Sainuel Romilly was not in
arrange the evidence.
" attendance. The messenger sent for " Now what was the case in which leading " him could not find him, and the exami- questions could be put ? It was, where "nation proceeded. The Commissioners there were contending parties ; and lead“ requested that he (Lord Ellenborough), “ ing questions were only improper when
as he had been in the habit of taking the counsel might be suspected of in“ down evidence, and probably touk down "structing his own witness. But the Judge " in the year twice as much as any man in " had a right to put any question which " the kingdom, should take down the evi- " appeared to him likely to elucidate the “ dence of the witnesses in attendance. " truth. There was another case, when “ He declared upon the most sacred asse- so the witness was adverse; but here the “ veration that could be made,-the most 6 rule had its exceptions, and nothing to " solemn sanction of an oath,--that every 66 be derived from it could impeach the “ word of that deposition came from the “ putting of any questions by Commissioners 6 lips of the witness in question, that " who could have had no object but the truth. 66 every
word of it was read over to her,- " It remained for this stupid and cursed " if not paragraph by paragraph, as it was " impudence,--for impudence was a curse, 65 taken down, certainly all after it was " to add another query, and gravely de6 taken,ếand every sheet signed with " mand why the examination had not been á her name. If it would not be going written in question and answer. But " into the particular disclosure, which was there a man grey-headed in the law
nothing could induce hiin to allow or who had ever heard of such a thing? " advise, the bare inspection of the paper " If the whole of the facts could be de" would be enough to shew that fabrica " tailed, no prejudice on the subject could " tion was impossible. It was full of in- “ lie on the minds of the public for an 6 terlineations; the mind of the party was “ instant. But as a Privy Councillor he expressed in its language, -any man
56 could not address the Prince Regent “ might have seen, in its changes and cor- “ for that purpose-- (Hear)-One of the
rections, that the deposition went to most alarming symptoms of the age was, " ascertain the full meaning of the witness, " that brutal and savage indifference with " and could not have been the work off" which men threw about slander at the
him or the other Commissioners. He highest characlers: this was tossing “ might, at least, from his station, take " firebrands, and then saying, 'am I not " the credit of laborious accuracy; and he " in sport?' But in the whole transaction, “ would venture to say, that not one word " he and the Noble Commissioners, he
was in that written deposition which had “must be allowed to say, felt, not perfect
not been spoken by the witness. But " indifference, (for who could feel indis“ how absurd was the charge! Would " ference ?) but a single desire to do their “ his Noble Colleagues have suffered him ' duty--( Hear!). He was sorry to have " to vitiate the evidence: Would they so far troubled the House. His purpose “ have allowed him to get down a word on "was not vindictive, but exculpatory. " the paper which was not deposed by the “ For whatever punishment the offence “ witness ? He had every reason, from " might call, he would call for none;-he " the most perfect recollection, to say, " was only desirous to stand unimpeached " that the paper in question contained the " in the opinion of the country, and honest " whole evidence and nothing but the " in the eyes of his fellow-meu." "evidence of the witness. Their Lord- My Lord, the Chief Judge, appears to "ships would forgive him for those repe- have been very much enraged upon this " titions; but when they shewed so just a occasion. He appears to have been greatly “ jealousy of the reputation of their body, moved. He appears to have been in a " when it was so important that his (Lord passion, as people call it. But, before I " Ellenborough's) integrity should 'stand inake any remark on the merits of this dis
without suspicion, from the multitude of pute between the Four Lords and Mr. 66 interests connected with it,-their Lord- Whitbread, it will be necessary to pursue “ ships could not blame him for standing the matter as it proceeded in parliament, “ forth to repel in the strongest manner so where, on the 23 of March, Mr. Whitas base and impudent, and miscreant an im- bread, having, in the meanwhile, applied "putation. (Hear.) Nay, the thing was to Mrs. Lisle, produced a letter, signed " foolish as well as wicked. It was despi- by that lady, stating, that the paper, " cable from its very slupidily. It charged which he had sent to her (the same which " him with putting leading questions. he had read in the House) was a corrent